tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9501938.post7419445580615721299..comments2023-11-05T08:01:10.010+00:00Comments on Think of England: Panorama stitch-upBrithttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00390560583798960760noreply@blogger.comBlogger28125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9501938.post-40541342391539298742009-11-09T15:11:20.208+00:002009-11-09T15:11:20.208+00:00I just wanted to share this article on the subject...I just wanted to share this article on the subject of gay pride parades:<br /><br />http://www.theonion.com/content/node/28491Andrewnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9501938.post-46258535812428137372009-10-20T17:22:35.268+01:002009-10-20T17:22:35.268+01:00Capt B had a wonderfull line "the police, the...Capt B had a wonderfull line "the police, the Guardians military wing"maltyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02936465848907794425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9501938.post-62363470051529692652009-10-20T17:09:11.517+01:002009-10-20T17:09:11.517+01:00I think it's fine for teenagers to be ever ru...I think it's fine for teenagers to be ever rushing humourlessly to the moral highground. Indeed, there might be something wrong with them if they don't, and they should be tolerated and taken seriously as much as their parents, siblings and uncles can stomach it<br /><br />New media types still doing exactly the same thing in their 30s and 40s (the kind who can't comprehend that someBrithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00390560583798960760noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9501938.post-4343864052009964892009-10-20T16:40:59.902+01:002009-10-20T16:40:59.902+01:00malty:
I sometimes wish our American conservative...malty:<br /><br />I sometimes wish our American conservative friends were a little more creative humour-wise. The only way I can see to put a stop to these parades would be for some place like Peoria or Des Moines to have a well-publicized and funded hetero parade with the skill and pizzaz only Americans can pull off. You know, floats with couch potatoes watching sports while their wives read Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9501938.post-36304094909508317812009-10-20T16:13:40.159+01:002009-10-20T16:13:40.159+01:00Yes indeed Peter, another irritant, more guilt th...Yes indeed Peter, another irritant, more guilt that we are obliged to carry. As a part time resident in Koln, Germany's gay capital I think that I have become used, immunized? to that scene, ever week a parade, each one more vociferous than the last, for goodness sake, who cares?<br />An interesting discussion on Radio Four some days ago about the early struggles of the gay movement had maltyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02936465848907794425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9501938.post-1732957055401259852009-10-20T15:34:13.473+01:002009-10-20T15:34:13.473+01:00malty:
It's even worse with gays. Everything ...malty:<br /><br />It's even worse with gays. Everything you say not only has to be 100% politically correct in a world of rapidly shifting goalposts, it has to be expressed with a kind of heavy, solemn empathy that signals you are mindful of their existential struggle 24/7. On one of those sites I mentioned above, I once commented that I was fully supportive (I was stretching it a bit, I Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9501938.post-80596067146095868602009-10-20T15:20:39.250+01:002009-10-20T15:20:39.250+01:00Peter: Although, oddly, it would be child's p...Peter: Although, oddly, it would be child's play to get them to admit that everyone, themselves included, is racist.Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16902329503560660425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9501938.post-35469652853422572002009-10-20T15:17:26.194+01:002009-10-20T15:17:26.194+01:00Always calm, Malty, always calm. Comatose, some sa...Always calm, Malty, always calm. Comatose, some say.Brithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00390560583798960760noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9501938.post-89565327481754625202009-10-20T15:01:49.133+01:002009-10-20T15:01:49.133+01:00Very well put Peter, a large dollop of pragmatism ...Very well put Peter, a large dollop of pragmatism is required when dealing with alleged racial intolerance, there is a 37 year gap between myself and my daughter and her friends, at times I feel like a cross between Governor Wallace and Reinhardt Heydrich, any attempt on my part to explain that racism is not one of my more enjoyable pastimes and the comment that I had just made came from a desiremaltyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02936465848907794425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9501938.post-89973794083000312122009-10-20T14:22:55.758+01:002009-10-20T14:22:55.758+01:00Brit, I think you've lifted the lid on what...Brit, I think you've lifted the lid on what's becoming a bit of a moral panic. <a href="http://gawragbag.blogspot.com/2009/10/it-wasnt-supposed-to-work-out-like-that.html" rel="nofollow">Here</a> is one thought as to how it came about.<br /><br />Peter, I think you'll find it highlights one of those little ironies that I sensed you were beginning to relish at the end of your comment.Gareth Williamshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05058241057385364459noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9501938.post-16344636320101946972009-10-20T13:59:00.697+01:002009-10-20T13:59:00.697+01:00If Steinbeck came out with The Grapes of Wrath tod...If Steinbeck came out with <i>The Grapes of Wrath</i> today, the Oakies would all be dismissed as racist fundamentalist wingnuts and some leftist sage would make a mint with a book called <i>What's the Matter with the Joads?</i><br /><br />I've been blogging for a while on a couple of leftist sites. For the most part they are decent sorts and sometimes we have good discussions, but I Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9501938.post-84729372163128665582009-10-20T12:54:29.805+01:002009-10-20T12:54:29.805+01:00Thank you chaps. A good, clean fight - v. enjoyabl...Thank you chaps. A good, clean fight - v. enjoyable.Gareth Williamshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05058241057385364459noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9501938.post-22749884842538482762009-10-20T12:09:59.347+01:002009-10-20T12:09:59.347+01:00Unusual to find that statement on a blog comment. ...Unusual to find that statement on a blog comment. I applaud you accordingly, good man.Brithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00390560583798960760noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9501938.post-50952688099986393552009-10-20T12:07:07.477+01:002009-10-20T12:07:07.477+01:00In that case, consider me corrected.In that case, consider me corrected.Swinesheadhttp://watchwithmothers.netnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9501938.post-30572774594225189692009-10-20T12:01:26.805+01:002009-10-20T12:01:26.805+01:00The BBC is the media's equivalent of Jekyll an...The BBC is the media's equivalent of Jekyll and Hyde, occasionally producing a programme capable of reaching out to the British people..Strictly is that rare thing, Hollywood beaten at it's own game. its current affairs programmes and documentaries consist of myopic, single issue, heavily biased drivel. Vine is a good example of a typical BBC understrapper, a twat's twat. Its news maltyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02936465848907794425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9501938.post-24207476654772509572009-10-20T12:00:42.220+01:002009-10-20T12:00:42.220+01:00Thanks, well I'll be clearer then: my article ...Thanks, well I'll be clearer then: my article boils down to a criticism of television, not the government. They made this show about 'racism in Britain', and they want all of us Britons to beat ourselves up about how awful and racist we are. But they could just as well have sent a white disabled person undercover to walk amongst Southmead chav gangs and get bullied. Then the headlinesBrithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00390560583798960760noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9501938.post-22838366401353782962009-10-20T11:53:40.644+01:002009-10-20T11:53:40.644+01:00If you don't spell these things out, the casua...If you don't spell these things out, the casual reader is bound to make that assumption. It's unfortunate, but it's the only way to cement your position.<br /><br />And I stand by the fact the article is too quick to condemn the powers that be, without detail, and too quick to excuse the idiots on ground level in the doc.<br /><br />It's important to show the reality of racism. Swinesheadhttp://watchwithmothers.netnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9501938.post-88410326327111920522009-10-20T11:47:44.149+01:002009-10-20T11:47:44.149+01:00Why should the the vileness of their racism need s...Why should the the vileness of their racism need spelling out by me? It goes without saying, so I'm pointing out something less obvious than the fact that racism is vile. I assume a certain level of intelligence in my readers - you've only just stumbled on my blog so you wouldn't know this.Brithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00390560583798960760noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9501938.post-73853134678828171612009-10-20T11:43:39.569+01:002009-10-20T11:43:39.569+01:00I don't think it was an overreaction. Your art...I don't think it was an overreaction. Your article is confused and doesn't condemn the racists in the show anywhere near enough, then boils down the argument to 'it's the government's fault' which is simplistic at best. This is not purely a class issue.<br /><br />Also - minus points for the lack of originality in the use of the tired term 'Guardianista'.Swinesheadhttp://watchwithmothers.netnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9501938.post-82921442548037658682009-10-20T11:34:09.357+01:002009-10-20T11:34:09.357+01:00Perhaps you could try thinking and reading a bit b...Perhaps you could try thinking and reading a bit before making insulting comments?<br /><br />I've discovered that it rarely pays to assume other people are the damn simplistic fools you want them to be, before you have acquired sufficient evidence. They generally turn out to be a quite different, more complex kind of damn fool.Brithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00390560583798960760noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9501938.post-35739777047303251432009-10-20T11:30:24.783+01:002009-10-20T11:30:24.783+01:00Fair enough - I accept that argument because they ...Fair enough - I accept that argument because they clearly are at the bottom of the heap and that breeds resentment. <br /><br />But that bittnerness is their problem rather than their neighbours, and there's no excuse for their racism. One sentence in your text making that distinction might've made the article less incendiary. And it might've made me less inclined to leave an Swinesheadhttp://watchwithmothers.netnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9501938.post-52891191489397450602009-10-20T11:27:24.914+01:002009-10-20T11:27:24.914+01:00God, I'm not sure I'm that cynical about i...God, I'm not sure I'm that cynical about it, Worm. I suppose a 'keep the BNP out' agenda might help them combat the protest non-voting by their natural supporters. The BNP gained seats only via increase of proportion of votes, not through increase in number, so obviously they have no chance of sending MPs to Parliament in first-past-the-post elections, and when some sort of Brithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00390560583798960760noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9501938.post-9895643104260117242009-10-20T11:22:06.295+01:002009-10-20T11:22:06.295+01:00Panorama is quite silly nowadays. I've given u...Panorama is quite silly nowadays. I've given up watching it.<br /><br />But the existence of the social class you describe has got to be the biggest, most complex and most intractable problem this country faces. I'm not sure what the solution is but we certainly need to try something other than unremitting welfarism. Next up is be the expected implementation of IDS's plans by the nextGareth Williamshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05058241057385364459noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9501938.post-8609725064672519822009-10-20T11:21:20.941+01:002009-10-20T11:21:20.941+01:00In one paragraph these 'feral kids' are &#...In one paragraph these 'feral kids' are 'vile', in the next they're 'victims'.<br /><br />Bizarre. Again - hats off!Swinesheadhttp://watchwithmothers.netnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9501938.post-77500516241772900332009-10-20T11:17:57.825+01:002009-10-20T11:17:57.825+01:00My God. Quite the most idiotic article I've se...My God. Quite the most idiotic article I've seen in some time.<br /><br />Congrats on shrinking your mind and narrowness of vision to the size and width of a petit pois!Swinesheadhttp://watchwithmothers.netnoreply@blogger.com